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Follow up to my saga
by Heartbreaker ini realize i'm a bit quiet here, and most if not all won't remember my story, so here is a brief synopsis.
i recently decided that i'd rather pursue life rather than a future life promised but not realized.
i was fortunate enough that my husband agreed in that he didn't want any man telling him what he had to do, or how to live, and so left with me.
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Watchtower says Millions Living in 1997 Will Never Die
by LUKEWARM in"in the early 1920's, a featured public talk presented by jehovah's witnesses was entitled 'millions now living will never die.
' this may have reflected over-optimism at that time.
but today that statement can be made with full confidence.
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Follow up to my saga
by Heartbreaker ini realize i'm a bit quiet here, and most if not all won't remember my story, so here is a brief synopsis.
i recently decided that i'd rather pursue life rather than a future life promised but not realized.
i was fortunate enough that my husband agreed in that he didn't want any man telling him what he had to do, or how to live, and so left with me.
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sweet pea
Well you certainly ripped that bandaid off!
You're very brave and an inspiration - you stood up to the bullies and didn't mince your words.
It sounds like they probably WILL wield the axe. Moving could be a very positive step.
2 years ago, having faced the bullies ourselves (and gotten the chop), we moved to another country/continent. It's hard to start with, lonely but exciting and challenging. You sound like you won't have any trouble making new friends - real friends who will care about you unconditionally - we found them, I'm sure you will too.
Onwards and upwards!!
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What do you make of the Alpha Course?
by boyzone ini've recently been invited to attend an alpha course at my local baptist church and for the last 2 weeks i've gone along.
its all been very amiable and pleasant until this week.
the subject was "why and how should i pray?
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Fading fast and not sure how to proceed with the JW relatives...
by 2pink infirstly, my apologies for all the posts i've written over the past few weeks asking for help with all the issues that come with leaving the wt.
i realize i am all "take" and no "give" at this point, but i'll pay it forward at some later date, i promise!
so, as the title of this thread suggests, i'm fading fast....more disappearing than fading really.
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sweet pea
You are very brave.
And no, not boring.
Just take your time. A friend of ours faded successfully by telling his folks that he'd made an informed decision and wouldn't be going back. It seemed to keep the elders off his back and prevented him from acquiring the 'apostate' label. He's now free to do what he wants, almost. His wife is still a hardcore JW so he wont be celebrating Xmas/birthdays etc but then they don't have children so it's not that big a deal.
Besty and I went down the route of complete honesty with our family and friends and paid the price - disfellowshipped for apostasy and lost his brother + wife and MIL in the process. Not ideal, but we have complete freedom and have no niggling feelings we compromised our integrity. As well, we don't have to be looking over our shoulder wondering who will shop us to the elders for celebrating a birthday, etc. Freedom is precious and our boys aged 4 and 2 are being raised as normal boys who'll hopefully have fabulous memories of the magic of christmas etc - they are the main reason we played our hand the way we did.
You must do what's right for you - just be prepared for the consequences. AND DON'T RUSH!
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What do you make of the Alpha Course?
by boyzone ini've recently been invited to attend an alpha course at my local baptist church and for the last 2 weeks i've gone along.
its all been very amiable and pleasant until this week.
the subject was "why and how should i pray?
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sweet pea
JD - you just don't get it do you? Where did I say I hated God? You can't hate someone/something you don't believe is there.
I do want to be with an all powerful, all loving being, IF there is one! Who wouldn't? But, any REAL loving father would make real, obvious contact if he really loved his children. He wouldn't play games or make it hard to find him. Simple.
You don't realise how ridiculous you sound.
Oh, and while we're on the subject of God and bad things - how do you explain God sending bears out of the woods to gore some children who'd made fun of someone? Not quite so loving, eh?
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What do you make of the Alpha Course?
by boyzone ini've recently been invited to attend an alpha course at my local baptist church and for the last 2 weeks i've gone along.
its all been very amiable and pleasant until this week.
the subject was "why and how should i pray?
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sweet pea
I'll take my chances JD - if your God is the God of the bible - the one who condones/encourages genocide, rape, slavery, then I'm not interested. If he's someone else, the onus is on HIM to make it completely obvious he's there.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
That's why there's so many of us that get to this point, isn't THAT obvious?
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What do you make of the Alpha Course?
by boyzone ini've recently been invited to attend an alpha course at my local baptist church and for the last 2 weeks i've gone along.
its all been very amiable and pleasant until this week.
the subject was "why and how should i pray?
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sweet pea
Contrary to some of the posters beliefs here, I do not believe this is a 'deep' question. The answer is very clear.
A co-incidence. The probability is very low of being called on not long after you've prayed, as BluesBrother said. NO WAY would a loving God who hears prayers let you go through what you have been through, in fact not just let you go through it but actually hand to you on a plate!!!! That would be a very perverted God indeed.
I too have done the Alpha Course - right after I left the JWs - I was traumatised, vulnerable and desperate not to lose my faith and here again was a nice 'instant' community that welcomed me with open arms - provided me with a gourmet meal and great company (for free) every week - who wouldn't be interested in that?? In my emotional state I mistook 'spooky coincidences' for the hand of God/Jesus in my life: wind down the chimney during group prayer, the Frey's song "I know how to save a life" coming on the radio as soon as I got in my car after a session, etc, etc.
In time, I realised it had all been for nothing - not a waste of time, as it's all part of my story/experience and I met some great people but now I see no real evidence out there for God. I would love to be proved wrong and am waiting for God to reveal himself (but I think I'll be waiting a long time).
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I DONT KNOW WHAT TO THINK...!
by iknowall558 ini need some help /advice.......think i'm finally starting to go crazy..... .
within a year...we've come out of org and lost all our friends...... we get shunned by all along with family members .... we have moved house....... and my youngest son ,7yrs, had to be taken out of his school because he couldn't cope with the shunning of me and his dad....... and recently i lost my husband, and my kids have lost their dad....he walked out on us 6weeks ago.. .
my friends....fellow apostates, have been invaluable to me and have been there from the word go.....i love them all so much... but lately, after doing so well and coping admirably considering.........he texted me tonight to say that ....some of my friends "have more than one face and would have me believe they only have my best interests at heart all of the time.
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sweet pea
Hang in there mate - your man needs to grow up and grow some balls.
Don't let him get to you. You know who your friends are - don't let him put doubts in your mind.
As MM wisely said, any man that leaves his wife and children (especially in the manner her did) does NOT have your or your children's best interests at heart.
Plan some really nice things for yourself, get strong and be an inspiration to your boys.
Here for you.
Hugs
Sam (sorry I didn't see this earlier)
any chance of you coming down to London for Nov 4th?
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Help! Leaving the WT and realizing I'm a social misfit!
by 2pink inso, i'm 30-something and have been a lifelong jw, born and raised.
(yeah, i know double points against me on the social scale!).
i'm on my way out (and moving at a fast pace with that, lol) and um, am now realizing that outside of the kingdom hall, i am a bit of a social retard!
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sweet pea
Fake it 'til you make it girlfriend! It's hard - that them v us mentality takes a while to shift but just get out there. If you're a mum, you have it easier than some - just strike up conversations with mums at the park, local cafes etc - don't be afraid to take people's numbers and invite them over for a playdate or at a cafe - they wont think you're weird just in need of some mates - you can always explain your situation if you feel comfortable. This is what I did when I moved here to California and yes it felt very strange at first but after a while it worked out and as a result, nearly 2 years later those mums are now my/our best friends.
Take your time, take a deep breath, relax and see what happens - you never know who is round the next corner. A few years from now and you'll wonder why you ever worried about it.....
And, if you ever fancy a trip down to Hermosa Beach, look us up!!
Sam